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Post by ryan1428 on Oct 13, 2014 4:00:26 GMT
I'm from the US and moving overseas. Will have to leave my large cars with big cubic inches behind me. Doing some research on Euro/Asian cars. Many are not available in the US so I know nothing about. I saw the 205 gti on wheeler dealer. Seen a few you tube reviews and everyone says they are a lot of fun. I'm looking for a small car that is fast from the factory and has to potential for bolt on power later on. Hate starting over from scratch but I need to broaden my horizons an look at pocket rockets.
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Post by farmerpug on Oct 13, 2014 17:56:38 GMT
The 205 GTI is a hot hatch legend, one of the most involving cars you can drive, I've had a couple of diesel ones and they were great cars to drive, compared to a modern car it feels very direct and responsive, although a disadvantage is that they are not as safe as a modern car, they have a bit of a reputation for litt off oversteer but a set of good modern tyres fixes that.
As for power the 1.9 GTi was the most powerful, although a few have had Mi16 engines from the 405, or the 2.0 Turbo from the 406 fitted which increase the power, but its also possible to make it a fast diesel hatchback, they offered them as a Turbo diesel and the XUD can be tuned quite a bit, or alternatively if you dont mind the wiring a HDi engine might be possible.
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Post by ryan1428 on Oct 13, 2014 18:42:11 GMT
In my situation. With no space and limited resources, an engine swap would be difficult. Finding the engine would be difficult and installing it would be very difficult. Things like a turbo bolt on would be doable. Are there a lot of mods that have to be made with a turbo fitment? Are they intercooled? Will I need to do a lot of plumbing modifications? Will the ECU have to be modified? Sorry.....lots of questions. Appreciate the help.
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Post by farmerpug on Oct 14, 2014 17:39:18 GMT
The 205 as standard only ever had naturally aspirated petrol engines, there were turbo diesels towards the end with the STDT (it looked like a GTI but had the turbo diesel), although the diesel could probably be tuned it still won't be a GTI
The main appeal of the 205 was its revvy engine and good handling, driving a 1.9 GTI it doesn't really need a turbo it was more than fast enough for a car as light as the 205.
It would be best to have a drive in a few 205s to see what you think of them, there was both a 1.9 or a 1.6 GTI, but it would also be worthwhile trying a 106 GTI/Citroen Saxo VTS they are newer than the 205 but still as good to drive.
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Post by ryan1428 on Oct 14, 2014 22:39:44 GMT
Appreciate the help. Is the pug and the citroen the same "car"? Researching some euro cars.....find that many are based on other drive trains from other companies and models. The 106 does look like a more comfortable car. Does it have the same performance and fun factor as the 205?
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Post by farmerpug on Oct 16, 2014 18:10:13 GMT
Peugeot owns Citroen so there are a lot of similarities between their cars, mostly engines, and parts are shared between the two companies, but with the 106 and Saxo they are almost identical, there are different body panels and interiors to keep the two cars looking a bit different but most of the parts are interchangeable, they are both equally good to drive, the fast 106 is the GTI the Saxo was called VTS.
They should be as quick as the 205, i think the 205 is a bit livelier to drive because its lighter, although then the newer cars were made stronger to preform better in crash tests.
The 106/Saxos can be picked up very cheap at the moment, the 205s are going up in value as it is at the right age to be considered a classic.
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