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Post by pfmc24 on Mar 23, 2008 15:48:05 GMT
Hi, new user here looking for help. While doing 70 on a dual carriageway, my engine lost power, lots of exaust smoke. AA bloke looked and as he could get it to fire up briefly by using quick start, he suspected fuel pump. My local garage now tells me the cam belt has snapped?  (it is certainly not visible now, I've had a quick look under the cover). If the belt snapped, what damage has been done....bent valves, cam shaft etc? Is it worth keeping as a DIY project? |
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Post by frank on Mar 23, 2008 16:01:45 GMT
if the belt has snapped how did the aa man get it to fire up? if the belt has snapped id get another motor
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Post by pfmc24 on Mar 23, 2008 17:03:04 GMT
That's a very good question and one I asked myself.
Is it possible the belt just initially slipped (hence the AA could fire it up) and then snapped later at the garage?
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Post by frank on Mar 23, 2008 17:11:21 GMT
shouldnt of thought so if it had snapped he wouldnt of got it started, did u hear him start it?
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Post by pfmc24 on Mar 23, 2008 20:43:53 GMT
Sure did.
I cranked it over while he sprayed the stuff in.
Obviously it only fired up for a short time, hence confirming his fuel pump diagnosis (he had already established there was no fuel coming out the fuel lines to the injectors.
He tried to look at the exhaust smoke, but it was too short a time (and too dark) to tell the colour.
Think the garage is telling porkies?
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Post by frank on Mar 24, 2008 7:12:48 GMT
dont know? it could of snapped but doutb it if the aa had it running, it could of stripped a couple of teeth off the belt and moved the timing round,take the covers off properly your self and hve a look. there easy to get off
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Post by oldpug on Mar 24, 2008 10:53:01 GMT
If the cambelt "snapped" you will have bent valves and a camshaft in two or three pieces,and engines can not run like that!!So something is not right here.Your first fault could have been a turbo and maybe its now "swallowed" something,or the cambelt was slack and jumped a few teeth on the pump pulley [ONLY] this is possible but unlikely as it is more likely to jump the camshaft pulley first,one tooth out on that pulley will hit a valve.It sounds as if "something terminal" has happened at this garage whether its their fault or not you will never know.You have lost confidence in them so take it somewhere else and start from scratch.If the cambelt is broken it will cost you £1500 + so spend that sort of dosh with someone you trust.
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Post by pfmc24 on Mar 24, 2008 11:25:37 GMT
Thanks for all the advice guys.
I will inspect the head myself when the weather is a bit better.
Funnily enough, the garage have offered to sell me an old 206 that they have just rebuilt the head on.....apparently the belt snapped on that and the owner scrapped it on their advice.
That story sounds a bit familiar, but perhaps I'm being a bit paranoid!
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Post by oldpug on Mar 24, 2008 14:52:49 GMT
Scrap a 206 just because of a broken cambelt!!!!They are con men.Take your car and run.Best of luck.
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Post by Admin on Mar 24, 2008 19:54:34 GMT
Scrap a 206 just because of a broken cambelt!!!!They are con men.Take your car and run.Best of luck. Yes, run. Run far and run fast. Cowboys! If the belt had snapped (for whatever reason) there's no way it would have fired up at the roadside. You'll never prove the garage had anything to do with it though so cut your losses. Ask around and find a garage that local people are happy to recommend. A good local rep is woorth it's weight in gold to an independent garage so several good testimonials should see you right. |
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Post by frank on Mar 25, 2008 18:55:54 GMT
where abouts are you from?
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Post by pfmc24 on Mar 25, 2008 20:02:20 GMT
I must add a correction to an earlier post, the garage in question was given the 206 by the owner, as the owner could not afford the repair the damaged head.
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Post by rjo504cab on Mar 25, 2008 21:53:31 GMT
Not sure what your diy motor skills are like, but i have had a few peugot deisel "given" to me with cambelt problems.
all were failed belts, but as valves are direct in line with pistons they always break the camshaft but do little damage to pistons/valves.
i have succesfully refurbished a 309, 405 and 605, all with this problem.
if you find a good deisel workshop they may be able to sort out.
you will need new/2nd hand camshaft, cam covers and shels.
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Post by pfmc24 on Mar 29, 2008 16:26:40 GMT
Just inspected the damage, camshaft is in three bits.
I am on my way to the scrapyard for a 2nd hand camshaft and bearing caps.
rjo504cab, can you please give me some guidance on the best way to fit a replacement.
The bit I am struggling to get my head around is the injection timing.
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Post by oldpug on Mar 29, 2008 18:53:43 GMT
The caps are line bored so are part of the head,no two caps are the same,fitting odd caps is risky as you could seize the cam[rjo504cab you know what your doing this chap is diy]This is a head off job!you may have damaged valves.If you find a good head at the scrapyard don`t ruin it by removing the caps buy the complete head and fit it.I would get your self a Haynes Manual as this is an experts job,one mistake and you will have bent valves and broken cam with one turn of the key.
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(it is certainly not visible now, I've had a quick look under the cover).
