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Post by chugchug on Apr 26, 2006 15:43:10 GMT
Hi there all, any of you know whether or not there is/was an electronic ignition kit to suit the 204 (admittedly I'm doubtful here)? I assume that at some point one would have been available for the 304 and if so would this suit the 204???
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Post by Admin on Apr 26, 2006 15:51:44 GMT
How about one of them self install mappable ignition kits like MegaSquirt. Gives your car modern type fully mappable electronic ignition www.megasquirt.info/
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Post by 504V6Ti on Apr 26, 2006 17:42:29 GMT
I had a 1985 305 Base model which had the 1.3l of the 304. It was fitted with electronic ignition, so I guess it should be possible to retrofit a system on a 304. Not sure about a 204 though, unless the 1.1l engine was used on another car afterwards (the 104?).
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Post by rjo504cab on Apr 26, 2006 19:00:19 GMT
Is there a benefit to electronic?, if so what about 504 (1973 cab 2.0l)?
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Post by chugchug on Apr 27, 2006 13:48:49 GMT
How about one of them self install mappable ignition kits like MegaSquirt. Gives your car modern type fully mappable electronic ignition www.megasquirt.info/You're having a bloody laugh aren't you?!?! Isn't this is a DIY kit for people with fuel injection - believe me, my 1969 204 aint got fuel injection. Anyhow, even if it had I wouldn't be using the likes of this. Engine mapping is a very specialized area and in bad cases poor mapping can result in catastrophic failure - think like pistons burning out etc. An example is my daily drive (turbocharged Focus RS - admittedly somewhat different to the 204 ;D) and when considering a few sensible upgrades I've been asked about whether or not the standard exhaust manifold is still used. This is because it's freeflowing characteristics aren't the best so the engine mapping is programmed to supply a higher ratio of fuel under high throttle loadings than it would do to a 'better' more freeflowing manifold. This extra petrol is purely to keep the manifold temperature below critical - now imagine some numpty getting this wrong and you ending up with a kaput engine
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Post by chugchug on Apr 27, 2006 14:30:09 GMT
504V6TI - I'm no Peugeot historian but I believe (??) that the 1.1 engine/gearbox assembly that's in my 204 first appeared in the 204. The engine then went into 304s & 305s - albeit in larger forms. Now I'm making an assumption - but I remember a relative having an early 205 (B-reg possibly) having a gears in sump 1.1ltr engine so assume this was a further development - I can't believe that anyone in the 80s would design a gears-in-sump motor. RJO504CAB - the benefits are huge. Basically an electronic ignition kit (such as Piranha or Luminition) does away with the points, vacuum advance/retard etc. so first of all you don't have them needing maintenance, or indeed buggering up. Although you can't tell until the points get reasonably far out of specification they are very rarely in 100% condition and as such your engine is virtually never in peak efficiency. Once an e.i. kit has been installed you no longer have any maintenance to do on the ignition side excepting spark plugs & leads & occasionally the distributor cap. Those mornings when you go to the car & it doesn't start because of the points are long gone! Points have never been very good - even the inventor, Kettering, said so best part of 100 years ago! (you may have heard them refered to as Kettering Contact Breakers) but they did a basic job & were cheap so ended up being used right up to the 80s in some cases. I'm not into change for changes sake, but one thing I would do to an old car is get rid of the bloody points.
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Post by 504V6Ti on Apr 27, 2006 21:23:47 GMT
You're right, the 1.3l engine of the 304/305 was just a development of the initial 1.1l of the 204. The electronic ignition in my 305 would have been a late improvement, because my 1977 304GL certainly did not have it.
I can't say if the 1.1l of a 205 was derived from the original engine of the 204. Same goes for the 104, but knowing Peugeot, there is a chance. In that case, 205 and late 104s might have been fitted with e.i. but I don't know.
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Post by rjo504cab on Apr 28, 2006 7:15:31 GMT
Thanks for feedback, I was also taken aback at the complexity etc of the suggested system.
Checked out the lumination product though and looks very simple and efficient.
With regard to ignition, advancment etc and unleaded what does everyone do, ie unleaded with adatives, unleaded alone and chnages to timing, or just leave? I've tried varoius and am currently running unleaded, but not sure on timing, slight spluttering when trying to accelerate say 40-50?
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Post by 504gld on Apr 28, 2006 8:25:04 GMT
No the 205 engine was carried straight over from the 104 - which was a new design with gears in the sump from 1972. It was the Douvin engine built with Renault for the 14. Yes, points and condensor are a complete nightmare to do, so any news of a electronic ignition for this would be welcome, lucky mine runs like a sewing machine and I am not going to touch it until I have to... viv le diesel!!!
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Post by 504V6Ti on Apr 28, 2006 22:59:05 GMT
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Post by chugchug on Apr 29, 2006 6:53:48 GMT
I once had luminition on a highly modified 2.3L Chevette HS and it ran faultlessly. As for the fuel situation - I run the old girl on the good stuff (97 Ron) as fuel ratings are lower now than in the seventies. The previous owner used Castrol Valvemaster Plus & so do I (still on the original bottle - it lasts ages - although it's hardly my daily drive!). I've got a few magazine pages from when leaded was phased out & they all seem to point to this product being best for valve seat protection. A point to note is to stick to the same product as there's a couple of different formulations and they aren't really compatible. I also looked at the Kitallumage website but couldn't see anything for Peugeots whatsoever - I might have missed something, I hope you have more luck. It's a shame we don't have 2CVs (well it's not really, but for this subject it is) as I stumbled across this a day ago: www.123ignition.co.uk/
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