407 binding on full r/h lock first thing

[jdrsmith]

Hi All,

Just had this started happening, not sure whether the cold weather has suddenly brought this on.

First thing in the morning I reverse out of my drive onto the road , pass my gateway and back out against the opposite kerb. I then turn full r/h lock to then turn right and continue down the road.

The last two days that I have done this after turning full r/h lock as I slowly pull away into the turn then something from l/h side wheel or something thereabouts makes quite a loud bunking type noise and the car judders three or four times as if the brakes or wheel bearing are binding on that wheel.

If I then drove around the block and back into my drive to repeat the process it doesn't do it a second time.

Anyone any ideas ?

Car is June 2008, done about 8K miles

Jim.

[504V6Ti]

Take it to the Dealer, it's under warranty isn't it?

[oldpug]

There are all sorts of mods for 407`s

[jdrsmith]

Booked in, they're going to have a look, let you know how it goes..

[jdrsmith]

OK, they had a look, they couldn't make it display the fault.

The checked alignment and re-torqued everything down, whatever that means, and I must say that it steers much better now, not so much free play in the middle.

..the problem is still there though..

A few days later I experienced it again.

Reverse out of the drive backwards, brake to stop, turn full right hand lock, engage first gear, clutch out...as I pull away..BANG BANG BANG from the front nearside, the car dipping down at the front slightly at each BANG..pretty much always three BANGS..

Something is catching on something..it doesn't sound good..its more of a gear-on-gear teeth jumping or metal knocking as opposed to a rubbing/squeaking noise ie pads on discs..

It *only* seems to do it on cold mornings, ie ice on the windscreen.

Thinking about leaving it at the dealer overnight and letting them have a go first thing in the morning.

Alos going to reverse into the drive and drive out forwards and turn right instead of left in the mornings and get to the main road the long way around..just to see if it's something to do with reversing out, braking and then moving forward again.

Apart from that does anyone have any ideas what this could be or knows of anywhere to look ?

I can understand the dealers problem if it doesn't show up when they have the car, but likewise I don't want anything to let go as I'm driving down the motorway.

Someone has suggested clutch to me..what at 12K miles ?

Plus it definately only affects the front nearside wheel/part of the car.

Could take a video of it I suppose..Hmm...

Jim.

[jdrsmith]

OK...more accurate despcription of the noise..

It's like when your electric windows are frozen up on an icy morning and you try to put them down and they suddenly crack free..that's the kind of noise..more that than a bang..

Jim.

[trem1]

it sounds like a ball joint to me a very common fault on 407's if its under warranty its covered but even if not its not too expensive,mine failed its mot in may and cost me £105 to get one fitted

[jdrsmith]

Moved this into 'Technical Queries' now..see there for follow up.

Car back in to the dealer today..

They're going to investigate/change a FRIP ? whatever that is..

[oldpug]

I`m interested to find out what was the fault or what they did to rectify it??as a customer of mine has the same fault with his 407!!

[jdrsmith]

OK, they never changed the FRIP thing..

All they did was adjust the tracking...again...

And they also retorqued the suspension...again..

At least the steering wheel is straight now..

Did it make any difference to the problem..

..no..none at all..it's still exactly the same..

They are at a bit of a loss as they say that they have never seen this kind of thing before..

Now..if you know someone else with the same problem I'd be interested to know wthe details..age of vehicle..when it occurs etc etc

My problem is always much worse on freezing mornings.

[frank]

as the car is under a year old, your entitled to have the car sent to the technical dept at coventry for investigation as it could be a safety concern. if the dealer you have been taking it to wont do this for you then ring peugeot customer care at aldermore house coventry, and tell them, dont ask them, the have it taken there. the dealer has to give you the phone number for them.

[jdrsmith]

I hear what you're saying Frank...I'll look them up and give them a call..I've got a contact at Peugeot customer services that I could speak to again..I got involved with them when we bought the vehicle new..it had the wrong ID sticker stuck to it..the one affixed said that it was an 'SE' and not a 'Sport'..
In the end the dealer we purchased the car from kept fobbing us off so I contacted Peugeot UK customer services and within a week or so a sheet of the correct 'Sport' stickers turned up at the dealer..so that one was solved pretty quickly by customer services. I'll give them a call again..


OldPug, I'd still be very interested regards your customers similar experiences..

[oldpug]

I would say its "table banging" time for you!Your not getting good service,like Frank said this is a safety issue,its nice to have confidence in your steering in the fast lane of the M25!!As for my customer I sent him to the Dealer and I`m waiting for his "report".One strange thing,I herd about modified power steering pipes for 407`s (every 407 I`ve had has steering judder) When I contacted my Dealer I was told they would not sell them to me as they were only to be fitted in a Dealer workshop,never had that before? I think there are a few things Peugeot are keeping quiet about regarding 407`s.

[jdrsmith]

OK, I called Peugeot UK customer support.

They suggested that I e-mail my problem details to them.

I was given a case number and one of their agents proceeded to contact the dealer.

They then contacted the dealer who is currently investigating the problem who informed them that they cannot replicate the fault and have inspected the steering and suspension and cannot find any defects at all at the moment.

They have retightened the suspension and adjusted the tracking to date. When I played them some video footage and some audio clips of the fault their workshop tech said he was going to change the frip joint.
But upon collecting the car I learned that they had just done the tracking.

So at the moment i'm just going to have to put up with it by the looks of things.

Needless to say the problem still exists and is now no longer confined to very cold mornings, it's now doing it to a lesser degree on a warm morning as well.
So perhaps it's getting worse and will become more apparent and easier to track down.

As for your 'fast lane on the M25'.....I'm unsure as to how to comment on that one at the moment.. :-(

Ho hum...

I might try and call and speak with the agent that called the dealer to see what he has to say in person.

[frank]

insist on the car being taken to the tech canter in coventry!!!! if this does happen to fail at speed, whos going to pay for damage and or the loss of lives wether it being yours of somone elses??. if under pug finance tell customer care they can have there car back asap unless the car is fixed. this also helps as they dont want that to happen.
i cant possibly comment on oldpugs sugestion that pug are keeping issues with the 407 from the public as i used to be a pug master tech untill last year. i had a 407 sw sport, i only had it a month and returned the car cause it had so many issues with it. probably the worst car id ever owned, with respect to reliablity and suspension issues. they had problems with clutches self sestructing at 30k but as they only have 20k warranty on clutchs they didnt want to know even though they knew they had a problem, and charge about 1k for a new clutch and flywheel, frip joints are common as hell, about 500quid a side if out of warranty