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Post by oldpug on May 12, 2007 9:13:47 GMT
Many years ago I had an Mi16x4 all I had done was ECU chipped by a Pro`and K&N induction kit.It flew like a bat out of hell,150mph [in Germany]With brakes and tyres to stop it..You want to fit a 16yr old engine with 116000mls on it!WHY!! There are lots of GTi Mi16`s about and most of them are full of problems,mainly cooling system and electricals,which all have to be changed.This is a job for a good Pug` Tech` who has had experience with this mod`.I still do not understand why people bother,all that time and money on an old car!I go with 504V6,will it be right and safe??a 200+bhp old banger with standerd brakes and suspension! Keep away from me.
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Post by Admin on May 12, 2007 10:27:01 GMT
so does a rebuild give you the same results as blueprint? Nope rebuild will use new components where required straight out of the box, rebore the block and new crank bearings etc. Blueprinting will mean checking all the components to make sure that they are exacly on the manufacturers tolerence etc Balancing will mean weighing the pistons and making sure they all weigh the same, machining the crank until it is properly balanced, same with the conrods etc. This makes sure that when the engine spins all the moving parts are in proper balance so the engine will last longer (or the engine will be able to take higher revs without damage) Obvioulsy a rebuild is the cheapest option, then blueprinting and then a full balance and rebuild. TBH I'm with oldpug here, there are loads of 16v conversions knocking around and even the good ones can be problematical, especially with 200+ BHP (which is going to be expensive to obtain anyway). A well built 8v 1.9 motor will give you a much more drivable 150 BHP easily, and that should be more than enough in a 205. Set up the suspension and brakes properly and you will have agreat fast road/track car with none of the problems a 16v conversion will bring. PSOOC members PeteF runs (ran) a demon 8v track 205 that ate 16v conversions (and the odd scooby etc) for breakfast at track days as it was just so well built and set up. OK so he lost out on the rolling road bragging rights with regard to top end power but he more than made up for it when he passed them on the circuit. A 205 is not a power car, it's a handling/baking car. You'll get more fun from yours doing those bits well. |
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Post by 205conversionator on May 12, 2007 12:31:52 GMT
You want to fit a 16yr old engine with 116000mls on it!WHY!! I go with 504V6,will it be right and safe??a 200+bhp old banger with standerd brakes and suspension! Keep away from me. Do you think im crazy enough to keep standard brakes an suspension from a 1.6gti!!! Thats the reason i joined this forum so i could find out the best way to go about it and plan it out so that i can get the best out of the engine without blowing it up. The reason i want a rebuild is because its done 116000miles. If you say the mi16 has alot of cooling and electrical faults, then now i know that, and i can have a look into these problems and find out what i need to do before i put it in. I know it might not be as straight forward as that but puma racing seem to have alot to say about the mi16 and im willing to spend the money. If you think the 205 is an old banger then have a look at the latest french cars mag and see a 500bhp+ 205 that started out as a1.6gti. |
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Post by Admin on May 12, 2007 14:54:58 GMT
The 205 is certainly not an old banger, it's a classic car! But what you do with it is up to you!
Yes it is crazy to keep the standard brakes and suspension. It doesn't matter if you go the whole 200+ BHP 16v route or end up with a less powerful 8v motor, faster car = better brakes needed.
There's nothing wrong with going the 16v route, or the 500 BHP route if you've got the cash (I'm guessing there's more to that car than a 16v motor though) The ideal would be to end up with a balanced car and that means engine brakes AND suspension upgrades. Most 1.6 GTi's have rear drums so you'd be best starting with a rear disc axle from a 1.9, but I'd also suggest bigger discs all round and some decent suspension upgrades.
Keep asking the questions!
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Post by frank on May 12, 2007 19:08:15 GMT
dont listen mate i for one am all up for fast 205's if you want to down this route. id deffinatly go for a 1.9 rear axle or even a 309 gti rear axle as the track is a little bit wider, with some 306 gti-6 discs on the front. look around for a decent suspension set up as theres loads out there.
What are you going to do about the exhaust manifold?? are you going to buy a reprofilled one? or just bash the bulhead in to make it fit? i hope NOT!!
Seriously though mate i wouldnt bother with the mi16, its a lot of hassle when you could just have a 1.9 motor rebuilt with some tricks remember these have 130 bhp standard, and sort out the brakes and chassis and youll have a fast 205, ive only got mine because it already had a 406 turbo motor in it, else i wouldnt of bothered fitting it. your gonna send a lot of cash for not a lot more speed.
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Post by 205conversionator on May 13, 2007 8:49:08 GMT
Ive heard that you can have a bulk head mod but il proberly get a bespoke exhaust manifold. Would keeping the original exhaust manifold have better performance?
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Post by Admin on May 13, 2007 9:59:42 GMT
If you're up above 200 BHP you may find a well made performance system gives you better flow but standard 205GTi manifold and exhaust design is very very good. Most aftermarket systems actually loose power, I'm sure there are some good ones out there but choose carefully.
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Post by oldpug on May 13, 2007 10:00:27 GMT
I`m very sorry if I insulted you,I didn`t mean to,I was just trying to put the project into perspective.I was too blunt or trying to put you off the idea.I have been working on Peugeots for over 30yrs and regard the 205 as the best GTi ever,a classic.The pre`catalyc 1.9 XU16v was a cracking engine and was the base for all Peugeot rally and race engines.BUT,they were never designed to go together.If Peugeot thought it a good idea they would have produced a 205 16v.However, it should only be attempted with a 1.9!! as they have larger diam`driveshafts & hubs,oil cooler,rear discs and many other upgrades.Everything you have will be old an tired [like me] and should be carefully looked at..A full engine rebuild by a pro`will cost £1000`s,the ally block may be corroded.The gearbox will have to be rebuilt with a new diff`.GTi diff gear sets have a habbit of braking and holeing the caseing!The whole engine wireing,ECU etc will have to be changed.Cooling is the main problem.Then before you fit anything go over the bodyshell and strengthen all the mounting points.I could go on & on![and spend £25K] And then try to insure the thing!As in all good classics,keep it original.If you really want to spend £1000`s start a ground up restoration on a 1.9.There are many discreet engine mods available which will make this 8v fly,but if you keep it allmost original it will be an investment.A total emac`GTi will go up and up in value and you may end up getting your money back,[or be the star at the clubpeugeot uk rally] Think very hard before you spend your hard earned cash mate.
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Post by frank on May 13, 2007 17:03:43 GMT
The question i want to ask is why you think you need to fit the mi16 motor?  |
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Post by 205conversionator on May 13, 2007 18:00:38 GMT
The mi16 after a rebuild should be 160bhp standard, which is quite alot more than the 8v 1.9 engines 130bhp. Ive read alot about how the mi16 is very easy to tune up and my 1.6 gti engine blew up. I got the 405 mi16 by chance for £200 which runs really well but i want the engine rebuilt because of age and mileage.
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Post by chompy on May 13, 2007 18:25:05 GMT
Office Phone /Fax: 01620 880763
Mobile: 07748 803660
Hiflowheads
Unit J1
Gilmerton Estate ATHELSTANEFORD
East Lothian
EH39 5LQ
Office opening Hrs
Mon/Wed 10:30am - 8:30pm
Tue/Thu/Fri 0900am - 6:00pm
Sat 9am - 5pm
give them a phone, they have years of experience withh tuning 205's and will be able to give you a quote for what work you need done, they don't mess around either, they just finished a 205 1.9GTI turbo conversion, kiking out 203bhp at the wheels! fully road legal, very sound guys.
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Post by frank on May 13, 2007 19:16:01 GMT
ok visit these people www.des-developments.com/index.html they are great with all things peugeot, they do a engine build with twin 40s cams and some headwork to give 200bhp+ but beware there price for this is 1500 quid for a standard recon engine without carbs and cams!! |
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Post by Admin on May 13, 2007 20:15:29 GMT
haven't heard of Hiflow heads. Des-developments have a very good reputation as does Puma. The guy there talks a lot of sense.
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Post by chompy on May 13, 2007 23:48:51 GMT
haven't heard of Hiflow heads. Des-developments have a very good reputation as does Puma. The guy there talks a lot of sense. there really big in scotland, massive reputation  |
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Post by 205conversionator on May 15, 2007 18:55:43 GMT
Just got a INDEPTH price list from Hi-flow heads and they look like they know there stuff about mi16 conversions. Nice 1 chompy!. Got any advice on brakes and suspension mate, or anything else to do with the conversion?
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