mi16 conversion

[Piston Broke]

There's a lad in the PSOOC (cough!) with a 205 Mi16 1.9 which makes over 220bhp on Weber 45's. 40's might be a bit feeble for a near 2 litre motor.

I'f you're going to the trouble and expense of bike carbs, why not go for TBs? Not much more cost, and a lot less troublesome once it's in and running.

[205conversionator]

220bhp is alot on carbs! The bike carbs worked out to be half the price of 45's and TBs are like twice as much as 45's. If i had the extra money i would definetly go for TBs but they will have to come at a later date, but the bike carbs will satisfy me for a while. Does any one know how often i will be expecting to re-tune the bike carbs?

[chompy]

was in looking at your motor the day, that 405 was in some state lol did andy give you any idea when he'd have it done?

[205conversionator]

chompy said:

was in looking at your motor the day, that 405 was in some state lol did andy give you any idea when he'd have it done?

Yeah andy said it should be about 3 weeks but my mate wants to buy the sorrento green 1 off andy and we are hoping to have them ready at the same time to pick up. Have you seen the sorrento pug? if so whats it like?

[miles]

Shame I missed all this,
Bike carb's are a bit lame really as you loose the 3D mapping which the std injection gives you so you loose power on that front but gain a little with better breathing, I hope your fitting a Red Top fuel pump as using the std inj pump is dangious if the Regulators fail. (Also most of the inlet manifolds designed for them run un-equal length manifolds (Not good))
Also the std Dizzy needs adjusting as the advance curves are all wrong for the 16v engine.

But to get a good conversion, you need

1. Rebuilt Engine £1000.00 ish
2. 4-2-1 exhaust manifold £285.00
3. Clutch Kit £80.00 ish
4. 1.9 Front Hub's, Drive Shafts, Calipers etc
5. Std Mi16 ECU & Loom

Getting 200bhp from these engines is easy and with some ARB rod bolt's make's them fairly reliable, but don;t take it on track without a good baffle kit and even then they surge, My mates one run's a dry sump but does make 301bhp @9000 rpm and never misses a beat but the build cost you would hope not.

At the end of the day a good job cost's a couple of hundred quid more than a bad job, I;ve rebuilt a few engines from so called specialests.

[miles]

Also cooling has never been a problem, Make sure your water pipes are good if not look here www.bakerbm.com/ and the Rads fine along with the fan temp switch.

I always run without the metal pipe that run's behind the cam cover as it's not needed in the 205, I always think that the less pipes you have the less change one is going to split and it's looks allot neater as well.

[miles]

But to finish off, Allot of people are using the GTi6 engine as they don;t seem to suffer from the oil surge problem, More power and cheaper as you can get away with not rebuilding them

[205conversionator]

Im finding out about the fuel pump but im spending £1175 on a rebuild, £90 for new clutch, custom inlet manifold from BOGG Brothers, baffled sump, And alot more! The fuel pump is the only thing im not sure about really, can you explain more about this regulator problem.

[205conversionator]

Thats bullsh*t about the fuel pump problem. Ive spoke to a few people and sum have said that the std inj pump is used on alot of other conversions, even other makes. And a peugeot specialist has said that he uses them on all his mi16 conversions with carbs or throttle bodies and has never heard 1 problem.

[miles]

I just think it's not good engineering practice to use a injection pump with Carb's but I know lot's of people that do it's just something I wouldn't (Just some friendly advice). And I do know of 1 person's car going up in flames (Not a PUG thou)
Make sure you use PTS baffles as a plate welded into the sump does nothing again from experance, even the std later baffles fitted to S16/GTi6's but it's better than nothing
I've been fixing, Modding etc 205's, 106's, 309's, 306's 405's since 1988 (& Racing for 10yr's) so I;ve seen allot of bad and good conversion's over the yr's and one of the few companies I;ve been impressed with is PUG1OFF which is saying something from me...

[205conversionator]

Thanks for the advice mate, I didn't mean to be rude in that reply its just I hear so many different things from different poeple I don't know who to believe!. I also heard alot of good things about PUG1OFF but I didn't get very good customer service off them and in a email from a women called Lucy she said "why would i need to change the exhaust manifold", so I tried Hiflowheads and the bloke there really knows what he is on about as he does these conversions all the time and he owns a mi16 205 aswell. I was going to have a 309 gti rear beam put on but i think i will go for a 1.9 one instead because i have heard that the wheels can rub on the arches with the 309 one.

[Piston Broke]

Miles is the man, and has always led me right over the years. Top feller.

[miles]

As you can get Torsion bar's and Anti Roll bar's again for the 205 beam at a fair price I'd keep that and if anything you can use some wider wheels which is allot better than using the 309 beam as it gives you the extra track and extra grip, As you know that even 195/50's on the back of a 205 can rub so the 309 one will need the rear trim shaved somehat.
But if your beam's good you can just swap the Stub axles over and convert it to disc's if you have drum's at the moment.

[205conversionator]

When changing the log book can i just put D6C as the engine number or is there a proper engine number?

[miles]

D6C is the engine type, The engine number should be at the back right on a tab just under the head, can only be seen with the engine out or a use of a mirror, The early ones fall off so to be honest it's 50/50 if you would want to bother or not